We're recording this podcast from a sun-drenched location: Boerderij Overamstel. What a wonderful spot! We've been invited by Cordier Wines , who are hosting their spring tasting here. None other than Astrid Joosten joins us to talk wine and food.

You know her of course as the presenter of 2 voor 12 , but also as a vinologist, author and co-founder of the wine label Astrid & Thérèse , together with top sommelier Thérèse Boer.

We taste three wines from their range and talk about everything that works (and what doesn't work) in wine and food pairings.

What do you drink with cheese fondue? When do you choose contrast, and when do you choose similarity? And what makes a wine "typical grape"?

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